Dismantling the generator Ε KODA Octavia Tour - a task that sooner or later every owner faces when the bearings, diode bridge or brushes fail. The service will take from 3 to 6 thousand rubles for this work, but with the tool and patience you can cope independently. The main thing is to know. sequence of actions and key nuancesdepending on the type of engine (atmospheric) 1.6 MPI or turbocharged 1.8/2.0 TSI).
In this article, we will analyze the process by steps: from tool preparation to reverse assembly. We'll pay special attention. common error with a wire break on the terminal "D +" with careless dismantling This causes the generator to work unstable after installation. We also provide a table of compatibility of generators for different years of release. Octavia Tour (A5/A7) and give tips on diagnosing faults before removal.
Preparation: tools and working conditions
Before you start, make sure you have everything you need. You have to work from the bottom and the top of the car, so pit, flyover or lift We have to. If they are not, use a jack with stops, but this will greatly complicate the task.
Minimum set of tools:
- π§ Headset:
10 mm,13 mm,15 mm,16 mm(for the installation of the generator and rollers). - π§ Extension and clap key (to access the bolts from the turbine side on the
TSI). - π§ Socket wrench on
8 mm(for the D+ terminal and mass). - π§ Screwdriver with a flat sting (for removing protection and plastic clips).
- π§ Dynamometer key (optional, for the correct tightening of bolts).
- π§ WD-40 or similar composition (stiff bolts are a common problem).
Additionally prepare:
- πΈ Phone for photographing the location of wires and fasteners.
- π§² Magnet on a telescopic handle (so as not to drop bolts into the pallet).
- π Multimeter (to check the generator after removal).
β οΈ Attention: On models with 2.0 TSI (for example, Octavia Tour RS) the turbine is blocking access to the generator. I'll have to shoot. intake manifold Or use a flexible extension cord for the key. Without this, it is impossible to reach the bottom bolt of the mounting.
- 1.6 MPI
- 1.8 TSI
- 2.0 TSI
- Diesel
- Other
Diagnosis of generator faults: when to remove and when to repair
Before you disassemble the generator, make sure that it is the problem. Typical symptoms of malfunction:
- π Lights up on the dashboard battery icon (Even after the replacement of the battery).
- π Outsider whistle or hum from the generator (wear bearings).
- π‘ Dim headlights and idle instrumentation.
- π Voltage drop below
13.8 Vwith the engine running (checked by a multimeter at the terminals of the battery).
If you have at least one of these signs, do a quick check:
- Start the engine and measure the voltage on the battery. Norma:
13.8β14.5 V. - Rev up
2000β2500 rpmThe tension should increase to14.2β14.8 V. - Listen to the generator for extraneous noise (preferably a stethoscope or a long screwdriver attached to the case).
| Symptom | Probable Cause | Do I need to remove the generator? |
|---|---|---|
| Battery badge, voltage < 13 V | Failed diode bridge or brushes | Yes |
| Whistle when starting engine | Wear of bearing or belt | Yes (if the whistle does not disappear after the belt change) |
| Voltage > 15 V | Voltage regulator faulty | Yes |
| The hum on singles, increases with turnovers | Bearing failure | Yes (urgently) |
If the diagnosis confirmed the malfunction of the generator, proceed to dismantle. But first. disconnect the battery (Minus terminal first!) to avoid short circuits when working with wires.
Before disabling the battery, turn on the radio and write down the unlock code (if any). Some of them. Octavia Tour After the power is turned off, the radio requires the input of a code.
Step by step: Removing the generator on Octavia Tour 1.6 MPI
Let's start with the most common engine. 1.6 MPI (102/115 hp). Access to the generator is relatively simple, but there are tricks.
Step 1. Dismantling protection and belt.
- π§ Remove the plastic protection of the engine (4 bolts per
10 mm). - π§ Reduce the tension roller of the generator belt (key to the
15 mm), take off your belt. - π§ Unscrew the top bolt of the generator mount (head on the
13 mm).
Step 2. Wire disconnection.
- π Remove the "minus" terminal from the battery.
- π Disconnect the connector with the wire "D +" (small terminal, attached to the bolt on the
8 mm). - π Unscrew the power wire nut (key to the key)
10 mm) and remove the terminal.
Step 3. Removal of the generator.
- π§ Unscrew the bottom bolt of the mount (head on the
16 mm, an extension cord may be required. - ποΈ Gently pull the generator upwards, turning it for the best exit.
Negative battery terminal disconnected |
The location of the wires has been photographed|
The freedom of movement of the tension roller is checked |
Tools for "difficult" bolts (WD-40, extension cord) are prepared |->
β οΈ Attention: On Octavia Tour With an air conditioner, the generator belt also drives the compressor. When reassembling, make sure the belt is installed patterned (there's a sticker under the hood) Incorrect installation will lead to rapid wear of the belt and bearings.
What to do if the generator mount bolt does not unscrew?
If the bolt is boiling, do not make excessive efforts - you will tear the slats. Fly WD-40 and let it stand for 10-15 minutes. Then try spinning with an extension for the best lever. In extreme cases, use an extractor or drill a bolt (a tag will be required to cut a new thread).
Features of the generator removal on Octavia Tour 1.8/2.0 TSI
On turbocharged engines, the process is complicated due to the dense layout of the under-hood space. The main problem is lower mounting boltThis often covers the turbine or intake manifold.
Algorithm of actions:
- Remove gateway (Untuck the clamps and disconnect the mass air flow sensor).
- On
2.0 TSIremoval may be required intake manifold (4 bolts per10 mmand the absolute pressure sensor connector. - Use flexible extension Or a drive adapter to access the bottom bolt.
- Disconnect the generator wires (similarly)
1.6 MPIThe D+ terminal can be hidden under a plastic cover.
On Octavia Tour RS with 2.0 TSI You'll have to do this.
- π§ Remove decorative engine cover.
- π§ Turn off the connector PCV valve (may interfere with access).
- π§ Maybe dismantle. oil filter (if it overlaps the bolt).
After removing the generator, inspect the drive belt - on turbocharged engines, it wears out faster due to increased loads. If you find cracks or stratifications, replace the belt and rollers.
On 1.8/2.0 TSI The lower bolt of the generator is often twisted with force to 50 Nm. Without a dynamometer key, it is easy to tear the thread in the cylinder block when tightening.
Disassembly and diagnostics of the generator: what can be repaired
A removed generator does not always require a complete replacement. Often enough to replace brushes, voltage regulator or bearings. Letβs see how to check each element.
1. Checking the diode bridge.
Put the multimeter in diode check mode. Connect the probes to the terminals of the diode bridge (black to -, red to +). A proper diode passes current in one direction. If the readings are the same when changing polarity, the diode is broken.
2. Bearing diagnostics.
Turn the generator rotor with your hand. Failed bearings rotate smoothly, without backlash or noise. When a backlash or jamming is detected, bearing replacement is required (usually 6202 and 6303 for Octavia Tour).
3. Checking the brushes and voltage regulator.
- π The length of the brushes should be at least
5 mm. If less, replacement is required. - π Check the contact rings on the rotor. In case of severe wear or burn, the rotor should be replaced.
To repair the generator will need:
- π§ The sleeves of the sleeves (or the sleeves).
- π§ Soldering iron (for replacing the diode bridge).
- π§ A set of brushes with a voltage regulator (for example,
Valeo 438285for Octavia A5).
β οΈ Attention: When replacing bearings, do not use a hammer to press them β this leads to damage to the seats. Only a press or a mandrel with uniform force.
Generator installation and reassembly: nuances
When installing a new or refurbished generator, follow the reverse sequence, but consider a few critical points:
1. Bolt tightening.
- Top bolt of anchorage:
25 Nm. - Bottom bolt:
50 Nm(onTSI). - Power wire terminal:
10 Nm.
2. Belt tension.
On Octavia Tour used automatic tensionerBut after installing the belt, check its deflection:
- π Press the belt between the generator and the crankshaft with effort
10 kg. - π The deflection must be
8β10 mm. If more, pull up the tensioner.
3. Connecting the wires.
Make sure that:
- π The D+ plug is connected to the generator connector (often forgotten!).
- π Power wire (
B+) securely secured and does not touch moving parts.
After assembly, start the engine and check:
- π The voltage on the battery (should be)
13.8β14.5 V). - π No extraneous noise.
- π‘ Work of all electric consumers (lights, stove, radio).
If after installation of the generator the voltage on the battery exceeds 15 VThe voltage regulator is probably not working. Do not operate the machine in this state - this will lead to the boiling of the electrolyte and the failure of the battery.
Generator compatibility: what models are suitable for the Octavia Tour
When buying a new generator, it is important to choose a model that is compatible with your engine. Below is a table of original and analog articles for different versions. Octavia Tour:
| Engine | Original article | Analogs (brand) | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|
1.6 MPI (102 hp) |
06B 903 023 P |
Bosch 0 986 041 830, Valeo 438285 |
Suitable for the A5 (2004β2013) |
1.6 MPI (115 hp) |
06B 903 023 Q |
Hella 8EL 011 671-141 |
Distinguished by power (120A) |
1.8 TSI |
06F 903 023 |
Bosch 0 986 042 020 |
Requires compatibility checks with year of release |
2.0 TSI |
06F 903 023 C |
Valeo 438290, Denso 104210-5770 |
For models since 2010 |
When choosing an analogue, pay attention to:
- π Rated current (for
TSIat least required140A). - π Direction of rotation (on Octavia Tour right-handed).
- π Location of terminals (In some cases, the D+ terminal may be elsewhere.)
Before buying, check the article with a sticker on the old generator or use directories by VIN code (for example, ETKA or Elcats).
Common mistakes and how to avoid them
Even experienced craftsmen sometimes make mistakes when working with a generator. Octavia Tour. Here are the most common:
1. Damage to the D+ wire.
With careless disconnection of the connector, you can tear the wire from the terminal. This will lead to the fact that the generator will not be excited, and the battery will not be charged. Always turn off the connector, holding on to the body, not the wire!
2. Wrong bolt tightening.
A weak puff will lead to vibrations and destruction of bearings, excessive - to the failure of the thread. Use the dynamometer key.
3. Installation of the belt according to the wrong scheme.
On Octavia Tour with air conditioning, the belt covers 4 pulleys: a crankshaft, a generator, an air conditioner compressor and a tension roller. If you confuse the direction, you risk damaging the belt and rollers.
4. Ignoring inspection after installation.
Many people forget to check the voltage on the battery after starting the engine. If the generator does not work, and you did not notice this, a discharged battery can fail at the most inopportune moment.
5. Savings on rollers.
When replacing the generator, old stretch rollers are often left. Itβs a mistake β a worn roller will quickly destroy a new belt. Change rollers and belts set.
If, after replacing the generator, 1.8/2.0 TSI There is a whistle, check the compatibility of the generator pulley with the tension roller. On some analogues, the pulley diameter differs, which leads to slipping of the belt.
β How do you know if the generator is not charging?
Main features:
- The battery icon is on the dashboard.
- The voltage at the terminals of the battery with the engine running below
13.5 V. - After starting the engine, the voltage drops (instead of rising).
- When the headlights or stove are turned on, the engine turns begin to βfloatβ.
Check first generator fuse (usually F37 on 100A under the hood, and belt condition. If everything is in order, remove the generator for diagnosis.
β Is it possible to drive with a faulty generator?
Short term - yes, but only if the battery is fully charged. However, please note:
- Without a generator, the battery will be discharged.
30β60 minutes(depending on load). - With a deep discharge, the battery can fail (plate sulfation).
- On Octavia Tour with
TSIA faulty generator can cause errors in the ECU due to unstable voltage.
If the generator breaks down on the road, turn off all unnecessary consumers (stove, music, headlights) and move to the repair site.
β Which generator is better to choose: original or analogue?
Original generators (VW/Skoda) reliable, but roads (from 15,000 rub.). Analogues are cheaper, but the quality varies:
- Bosch β optimal price/quality ratio.
- Valeo Good reviews, but there are fakes.
- Hella - reliable, but more expensive than Bosch.
- No-name brands - risk of rapid failure.
For Octavia Tour with mileage > 150,000 km we recommend Bosch or original They last longer during intensive operation.
β Should the generator belt be changed when replacing the generator?
Yes, necessarily. The old belt is already worn out and may break due to altered tension or pulley mismatch. Also check:
- Condition tension roller (play or noise during rotation is a sign of wear).
- Shkid air conditioning compressor (If the belt brings it in too).
Cost of the set (belt + roller) for Octavia Tour - about 2,000 rub.It is cheaper than re-repairing.
β Why does the battery not charge after the generator is replaced?
Possible reasons:
- Wire not connected
Β«D+Β»(generator not activated) - Confused terminals on the generator (
B+andD+). - Defective voltage regulator (Even with a new generator!)
- Problems with fuse or wiring (check
F37in the fuse box). - Wrong. belt tension (slippage).
Check the voltage at the terminal with a multimeter Β«B+Β» generator with the engine running. If there is 14 V, but the battery is not, the problem is the mass wire or the power terminal.